Fact or fiction???

[Birdman79]

I keep on hearing from different people that taklas with duck feet are good performing birds.I'd like to know what your input is on this.To me ,i think it's just baloney,but what do i know.

[Kurt Gürsu]

I am not sure what they mean by duck feet.
Is it the webbing between the toes?
If yes, then it is a common thing to hear.
One of the very famous bloodlines in Turkey had this about 30 plus years ago.
Since then many fancers have been after that bloodline.
The gentleman who created the bloodline has passed a dozen years ago but extensions of his bloodline are kept as prized birds.
I have not seen anyone with those birds get close to the original birds' performance though.
Then again people tend to ran after legendary figures vs. trying to understand what is right infront of them.
It has something to do (in my opinon) with today's faciers asking so much from the birds but underestimating the importance of the breeder in the equation.
I would say the homer fanciers probably are the exception to this.

[rosshoward]

I agree very much with your last 2 lines Kurt. When I trained horses I also had the same problem nothing wrong with the horse it was the people that needed the training. Just like the dog whisperer says
Ross

[Birdman79]

I am not sure what they mean by duck feet.
Is it the webbing between the toes?
If yes, then it is a common thing to hear.
One of the very famous bloodlines in Turkey had this about 30 plus years ago.
Since then many fancers have been after that bloodline.
The gentleman who created the bloodline has passed a dozen years ago but extensions of his bloodline are kept as prized birds.
I have not seen anyone with those birds get close to the original birds' performance though.
Then again people tend to ran after legendary figures vs. trying to understand what is right infront of them.
It has something to do (in my opinon) with today's faciers asking so much from the birds but underestimating the importance of the breeder in the equation.
I would say the homer fanciers probably are the exception to this.

Yes Kurt,i meant the webbed toes.Have you seen birds like that in the US?,as just recently i spoke to a guy at a bird show who claimed that he had a pair of webbed sabunis sitting in his loft ,that costed him an xxxx amount of dollars.

[Birdman79]

I am not sure what they mean by duck feet.
Is it the webbing between the toes?
If yes, then it is a common thing to hear.
One of the very famous bloodlines in Turkey had this about 30 plus years ago.
Since then many fancers have been after that bloodline.
The gentleman who created the bloodline has passed a dozen years ago but extensions of his bloodline are kept as prized birds.
I have not seen anyone with those birds get close to the original birds' performance though.
Then again people tend to ran after legendary figures vs. trying to understand what is right infront of them.
It has something to do (in my opinon) with today's faciers asking so much from the birds but underestimating the importance of the breeder in the equation.
I would say the homer fanciers probably are the exception to this.

Yes Kurt,i meant the webbed toes.Have you seen birds like that in the US?,as just recently i spoke to a guy at a bird show who claimed that he had a pair of webbed sabunis sitting in his loft ,that costed him an xxxx amount of dollars.

[Kurt Gürsu]

I havent seen any birds in the US with the webbing but even if there are it doesn"t mean much to be honest.
You still would need to know the birds are from that bloodline.
The original bloodline is known with it's crators name "Elektrikci Şeref ", as in Şeref the electrician.
They look very similar to these birds:



Besides the web toes every once in a while you would get a double crested baby from them also:


I say it deasn' tmean much because the webbed toes come out of many tightly inbred bloodlines regardless of the quality of the birds or their bloodline.

[Kurt Gürsu]

By the way, who is the guy with the sabunis?
Did he say where he got them from?

[Birdman79]

By the way, who is the guy with the sabunis?
Did he say where he got them from?

I met him at the NYBS.I really don't know him even thou he doesn't stay too far from me,he's off an iraqi origin.If I ever run into him again i'll ask .

[Kurt Gürsu]

Thank you.
Just curious.

[Birdman79]

This breeder has 'em as in iraqi tumblers in southern iraq.He says that he had em for around 25 years.They're inbred,and did say that it's possible that they've originated from turkish bloodlines.Too bad i couldn't find any full pics of the birds.




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[Birdman79]

Web foot article...
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/pigeongene ... bfoot.html