Kurt Gürsu wrote:octavian wrote:This is the thing, almonds have females with flecks too and when mated together they make almost white males too. This thing that you show me here are ash red spread(lavander) heterozigus for blue and some of them are dilute. It is quite easy to make one, but not sure that all of them will make so many black flecks.
I should be clearer on what I am saying: I used the words "Almond flecks" to describe what I was trying to describe but it looks like it is cousing some misunderstandings. I should of said "like almond flecks". The thing I am showing you is called gümüş. Its relationship to almond or any other genetic factor does not concern me and I would be very surprised if there is a Turkish takla breeder out there who would be concerned about it. Terminologies used out there in the genetic world should not be confused with the Turkish names used to describe the colors I have been sharing here. They are not translation of genetic terms or factors but merely traditional names. I am certain they predate Mendel. Since you do run into this color in Takla I am sure you would recognize the fact the breeders know how exactly to come up with the color.octavian wrote:Try and mate a black male with a yellow or an ash red female and you will have this kind of males, but the blacks must be with black beak, not with white beak beacause they wont make any flecks. i will show you the parents of my bird.
As you get deeper in to this breed, I am sure you will see why, but I could not do a pairing based on those facts in my breeder coop.
If I did, that fact alone would be enough to discredit my bloodlines and my ability to breed topnotch birds.octavian wrote: If you dont have black or ash red birds come to me and i will give you
Thank you for your generous offer.
That is happening beacause you know a lot about your bird's origins, i don't know to much, and, moreover i am curios to find out what will i get from different matings and i make this kind of matings to get differen birds. Untill now i got what i wanted.
P.S. I don't think you will ruin all the line if you get one mating so to get a pair of youngs from them, if you work on color lines then you will get what you want from the first pair of youngs as Spread(Black) is dominant and ash red too, best would be to mate a female ash red with a black male as it is a sex linked mating, all males will be ash red and all females will be black/blue/check depends if the blacks are homozigous for spread or not.