Thank you for becoming a member and sharing your excitement about the breed you keep.
However, before making critical statements you must comprehend the concept.
When I say not to worry about color I am talking about a certain type of performance.
Type of performance that is required for competitions.
Now, my personal taste is not for the prettiest bird in some people's eye but the beauty I look for is not for everyone to comprehend.
hasseian_313 wrote:see in Iraq we tend to breed performance and color and shape in all one bird
Making this statement you are in a misunderstanding.
There are many Turkish Tumblers which perform very well and as far as looks will blow you away.
Just do a search on line and take a look at the photos.
Where you are failing to understand is what the word performance is referring to.
There is performance and then there is performance.
On the breeder section I just saw your post where you are mentioning 11 hrs of flight and great performance.
To be honest looking at the birds it is hard for me to believe the 11 hrs flight but let's say it is true.
But, as a person who has seen many Iraqi birds in the past and who is somewhat knowledgeable of tumbler breeds, I can tell you if that 11 number is true then the great performance is not.
Or I should say what you call great performance does not fit our description.
A great performing bird can do this for about 2 hrs.
More then that performance simply erodes away.
If not, that bird my friend drops dead after the 4th hour from the sky.
hasseian_313 wrote:i mean a bird can fly 3 days and tumble its feathers of
This website has been around for many years to provide accurate information to the fanciers who are new to these breeds.
So, it is important for me to not to have statements like this on it.
It is because this statement for Iraqi Tumbler or any other is simply not true!
hasseian_313 wrote:i think it wrong to put too much traits in a bird but that is how it is in iraq my birds are prefomence sence we dont have judges in my area who understand the traits
Now, I have heard many fanciers Iraqi or Syrian saying they have great performing birds and they are but for an Iraqi Tumbler.
However, these fanciers simply assume this type of performance is seeked after in Turkish Tumblers also.
This is basically comparing apples to oranges.
I have gone and watched many of these fanciers' birds.
Yes, there are pretty birds just like in Turkey but not one had what we call a true performing bird.
This doesn't mean they were bad birds, they were excellent Iraqi tumblers but not what we look for in our birds.
The Iraqi birds are very much sought after in Turkey also for şebap type Takla breeders, who keep birds for predominantly for their looks.
In the mean time most of these birds are also very good performers in the eyes of their keepers.
Again those birds are a different class.
Then again, for someone just starting to this breed, focusing on performance is at most importance.
After that, when you have a complate understanding of the breed you can balance the performance and the looks.
Color is the easiest thing to deal with.
Hell, all the colors exist out there any way, just go buy a pair.
The second bird in the TAKLA
article is what we call Altınbaş, in English Golden-Head.
Half of the Iraqi pigeon keepers in US tried to buy that bird for many years, it is a pretty good performer also:)
So, please be careful sharing information online.
I realize how proud you must be to have your own cultures birds but making irresponsible statements does not make that breed look better.
It just provides the wrong information to the next guy who spends his pocket money for promises not to be realized.