tumblers wrote:Well I disagree about what you said tumbling in garage or room pointless .
firstly not all turkish tumblers do this only the good birds from a good bloodline second you mentioned that (Good bloodlines must get daily exercise or it becomes unable to fly from tumbling) in my opinion tumbling in the garage that indicate to a good bloodline.
It is quiet OK to disagree.
I certainly don't know it all.
However, the information I try to share here are not just my own thoughts but what is considered to be a breed standard with in the fanciers.
I am not sure if you speak Turkish or not but if you do you are more then welcome to share the information I have given out here with fanciers in the Turkish Pigeon Breeders Associations website and see what kind of an answer you get.
There are several thousand breeders and quiet a few master breeders/champions there.
Here is the website:
TGYBIn any case, please take what I share here with a grain of salt.
About the garage or room tumbling:
Why do I say it is a waste of time?
It is a waste of time because all it will tell you is the bird you released in the room was flown for a time period or not.
Any Turkish Tumbler that has seen some what of a decent training will perform in the room.
I think, it is sufficient to ask the person you are buying the bird if they have flown them or not.
The performance you see in the room will give no indication of what kind of performance you will see in the air.
After all, this is a breed that is raised for a specific performance and that performance can
only be judged in the air.
Kurt Gürsu wrote:Buying new birds there are 3 options:
Buy breeding pairs over a year old and not fly them. Test their young. Since the parents are older and you are not sure about their training it would be a waste of a time to try to fly them and judge the bloodline by their performance.
Buy very young birds, who have just left the nest and started eating on their own. Get these birds in to the air as soon as possible. Young birds who have not been flown and are 4-5 months old will not have developed their muscles properly and will give you a lot of difficulty. Simply getting them to fly might be a hassle.
Buy a fully trained bird with no bad habits and after getting it used to your loft for 4-5 weeks slowly get him in the air. For this kind of a purchase you must see the bird flying at his home loft and it might cost you a lot more compared to others.
So,
If you go with option 1, then if the bird is flown or not, or if tumbles in the room or not will not matter.
What you are after is to find out what kind of performance you will get from their young.
If you go with the option 2, then there is no point of releasing this bird in the room because it has not been trained and if the room test is what we measure the bird with, we will have to say this bird is not a good bird and we will be sadly mistaken.
If you go with the option 3, then you don't have to release the bird in a room since you have seen this bird in the air and liked what you saw any way. What you will see in the room won't change your decision.
tumblers wrote:my question here lets say i bought a good birds trained how can you train their offspring when you don't have any adult to fly them with ?
All you need the older birds in training for is to expedite the training of the young birds.
You can very easliy train the young birds by themselves also.
Since there won't be any bird with them that will respond to droppers you just have to be a bit more careful.
Even if you use adult birds for training you wouldn't want a fully performing bird any way with the young birds.
All that will do is result in loss of young birds since the fully trained adult bird will not just stay right above the loft.
tumblers wrote:also do they pass their helicopter flying style generic or do you have to train them ?
It is in their genes. What we call training is very similar to the training an athlete gets. Stamina and discipline.
A true Turkish Tumbler will always perform.
Then you come into the picture to get the best performance out of your stock birds by different breeding and training techniques.